Ball Joint Boots

jbarnes67

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So I am doing a lot of rework on my tiger and was looking at replacing the ball joint boots because they are all torn including the tie-rod ends. So searching around for just the boots, that will definitely be better than stock British rubber found out that Energy Suspension makes universal boots in red and black. they are 4 dollars for a set of two, from Summit. Here are the part numbers I used.

Upper Ball Joints 9-13105R
Lower BallJoints 9-13119R
Tie-Rod ends 9-13103R

Also ordered their universal bump stops which are pretty close to the smaller bump stops on the A-arms. 9-9103R.

We will see how much of a hassle they are and if they are worth it. More to Follow.

Also if anyone is looking for a smaller diameter water pump pulley March Performance Products makes a set that is smaller than the popular ford swap that everyone is using. It measures 5" in diameter. I ordered the whole set in v belt for the car March part number 1555. You can also just order the Water Pump Pulley seperately. March Part number 1553. I can verify it is a nice set up everything lined up no issues. The water pump stud was a tight fit. I blame that on the pump and not the parts. It does however help move a lot more air at idle. My only fear is that it may cause cavatation at sustained higher speeds, but I will see.
 

Moondoggie

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Why don't you just order all the correct parts from Rick @ sunbeam Specialties....WWW. Rootes.com It can would make your life much easier

Moondoggie
 

michael-king

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On the ordering of parts.. its always good to have cross reference numbers for things like hoses, bearing etc...stuff we might need on the road or in a rush.

for stuff like suspension where they are sunbeam specific and our suppliers make them for us to OEM spec.. its worth buying it from them to support the sunbeam parts community. I can gaurentee that summit, pepboys etc wont start making Sunbeam visor brackets, seat foams door handles etc.... a few $ more sometimes to support our suppliers keeps us all in the hobby.

That said the info and part numbers on water pump etc is great! :)
 

Paul4223

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Why don't you just order all the correct parts from Rick @ sunbeam Specialties....WWW. Rootes.com It can would make your life much easier

Moondoggie

Personally, I'm with Moondoggie. I've purchased a ton of stuff from Rick over the years and have always been completely satisfied.
 

jbarnes67

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I'm not knocking rick or anyone else's merchandise. I originally bought the ball joints and other parts from him, and they are fine pieces. The dust boots, however I saw an opportunity for improvement, and I am seeing what I can work out. I have the front and rear out of the car and I am replacing/ upgrading multiple items that I sourced from multiple club vendors.
 

Moondoggie

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I'm not knocking rick or anyone else's merchandise. I originally bought the ball joints and other parts from him, and they are fine pieces. The dust boots, however I saw an opportunity for improvement, and I am seeing what I can work out. I have the front and rear out of the car and I am replacing/ upgrading multiple items that I sourced from multiple club vendors.


Can I call you J ???

For a first post on this forum you certainly didn't give us much information
it just reads that British stuff is junk and so let me tell you how to fix it..that's what I got, To further the problem you failed to fill in more detailed info on your bio when you joined back in 4/12/13 so we don't know who the hell you are...do you see a picture forming here ??? This is a terrific site with a wealth of info available if you approach folks in the right way.....Maybe you should just start over...

Moondoggie
 

Hoghead

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Any update on these Energy suspension boots and confirmation that these are the corrent PN. I just tore one and urethane appeals to me.
Rick does not seem to sell just the boot and the ball joint is new

The rear bump stop is also not listed in SS. has anyone found a suitable replacement?
 
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Hoghead

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Any updates on ball joint and tie rod end boots, as the SAOCA site suggests that the Energy ones do not fit???
SS short shipped and I can wait no longer for replacements so hoping to find locally
 

Austin Healer

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Any update on these Energy suspension boots and confirmation that these are the corrent PN. I just tore one and urethane appeals to me.
Rick does not seem to sell just the boot and the ball joint is new

The rear bump stop is also not listed in SS. has anyone found a suitable replacement?
rear bump stop on axle as big healey front coil spring bump stop 661.820
 

Austin Healer

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Any updates on ball joint and tie rod end boots, as the SAOCA site suggests that the Energy ones do not fit???
SS short shipped and I can wait no longer for replacements so hoping to find locally
you might try the ball joint boots for the TR4-6 moss 680.760 less than $2 ea
 

Hoghead

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Just found this on TEAE: Now to find them in Vancouver since Octagon Motors is no longer representing Moss..................
Bottom Ball Joint BootC43216, Black or ClearJaguar XKE, AnyAny Jaguar Vendor
Upper Ball Joint Boot011-914Jaguar XK120, 140Moss Motors
 

Austin Healer

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Just found this on TEAE: Now to find them in Vancouver since Octagon Motors is no longer representing Moss..................
Bottom Ball Joint BootC43216, Black or ClearJaguar XKE, AnyAny Jaguar Vendor
Upper Ball Joint Boot011-914Jaguar XK120, 140Moss Motors
you could get the bottom ones from Moss as well as they bought XK's Unlimited and use the Jaguar part number system that XK's did.. Just a matter of giving them the Jag number for the lowers and using the Moss number for the uppers..

BTW 011.914 is also the upper ball joint boot for TR2-4!! 2.19, the lower (C43216) is $2.29
 
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IvaTiger

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So I am doing a lot of rework on my tiger and was looking at replacing the ball joint boots because they are all torn including the tie-rod ends. So searching around for just the boots, that will definitely be better than stock British rubber found out that Energy Suspension makes universal boots in red and black. they are 4 dollars for a set of two, from Summit. Here are the part numbers I used.

Upper Ball Joints 9-13105R
Lower BallJoints 9-13119R
Tie-Rod ends 9-13103R

Also ordered their universal bump stops which are pretty close to the smaller bump stops on the A-arms. 9-9103R.

We will see how much of a hassle they are and if they are worth it. More to Follow.

Also if anyone is looking for a smaller diameter water pump pulley March Performance Products makes a set that is smaller than the popular ford swap that everyone is using. It measures 5" in diameter. I ordered the whole set in v belt for the car March part number 1555. You can also just order the Water Pump Pulley seperately. March Part number 1553. I can verify it is a nice set up everything lined up no issues. The water pump stud was a tight fit. I blame that on the pump and not the parts. It does however help move a lot more air at idle. My only fear is that it may cause cavatation at sustained higher speeds, but I will see.
Make judgement when you get them. I bought what you bought and they sit on my shelf because there is not a groove in them for the retaining spring band and just did not like them I bought a new set of upper and lower ball joints from Rick after learning that the bottom joints can let loose with catastrophic results. I would say support the specialist supplier, pay the extra price because the car is worth it and especially when the cars safety is concerned. Yet I thank you for passing on the information but I did fall victim to a poor purchase by reading information from other posts.
 

Austin Healer

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Make judgement when you get them. I bought what you bought and they sit on my shelf because there is not a groove in them for the retaining spring band and just did not like them I bought a new set of upper and lower ball joints from Rick after learning that the bottom joints can let loose with catastrophic results. I would say support the specialist supplier, pay the extra price because the car is worth it and especially when the cars safety is concerned. Yet I thank you for passing on the information but I did fall victim to a poor purchase by reading information from other posts.
The lower ones available from Moss under part C43216 do have a groove for the retainer, I looked at them! The uppers for the early TR2-3 Moss part# 011.914 do not appear to have grooves for a retainer, but the later TR4-6 (essentially the same upper ball joint) do have a retainer groove Moss part 680.760
 

Hoghead

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Make judgement when you get them. I bought what you bought and they sit on my shelf because there is not a groove in them for the retaining spring band and just did not like them I bought a new set of upper and lower ball joints from Rick after learning that the bottom joints can let loose with catastrophic results. I would say support the specialist supplier, pay the extra price because the car is worth it and especially when the cars safety is concerned. Yet I thank you for passing on the information but I did fall victim to a poor purchase by reading information from other posts.

Yes the poor fit is reported on SACOA, and why I ordered from SS
Looks like Sean has tracked down a Moss part that will work, and solve my delivery issue
 
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