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Maybe you have seen the 3 of the e bay Tigers.

One was in California at Dale's "per listing"
and the other shows a very nice garage, The 3rd is a re posting.

We have a large concentration of TAC guys in Calif. along with the large number of cars here. It seems that bad press in listing two as seller statement is rather like tar on the marquee. It is easier to TAC a car in California, but probably not in the Midwest.
It would be nice and beneficial to not have bad press out there like this red car is listing.




http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1967...2423676?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item2a2c5571fc
 
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Before everyone starts picking apart the car in the 2nd ad, I'd like to volunteer to drive from SC to IL and take a look at it. I could spend a day in that garage. There isn't a single vehicle in there that isn't on my wish list.

Of course, I'm not an official TAC inspector. But I'd do it for free. :)
 
Well put

Anyone considering a Tiger or Alger for sale should pick the brain on the nearest to the car.
Recently I viewed a Alger for a buyer in the Midwest. It was rather easy as it had a ALGER on the lic. plate and did not have lots of the common features.

The intent of the posting is not to nit pick anything but his ad copy,
 
Tool Man, I'll split the fuel bill and tag along you, heh,it's the least I could do to help out with the test driving and all!!!
 
If I were seriously interested in this car in Taylorville Il, I would try and get Doug Jennings from Dayton, Ohio to check it out for me, expenses paid. It would be money well spent.

I cannot help but be a little concerned myself based on some very superficial things. They may be very easily fixed, but they do not speak well for the things you cannot see.

The overall impression I get is that this was a car needing a lot of work and the minimum of time, money and care was expended to get it roadable again.

The engine compartment looks like it was hastily resprayed while the motor was out. Hence, the body paint all over the clutch and master cylinder.
The door handle pull on the passenger side does not impress.
One wonders why the fender brace on the passenger side appears to be from an Alpine (with the holes for the bracket to hold a coil).
The missing Rootes emblems on the fenders have curious replacements. Just something to fill a mounting hole?
And the list goes on..

With all this lack of care in the cosmetic things, one cannot help but be concerned about how well the motor rebuild and trans rebuild were done.

It could be that this is a solid car in all the critical areas. Someone like Doug could certainly tell you. At a minimum, I cannot see with a just casual look at the pictures that it should command anything near a premium price from a knowledgeable buyer.

Gene
 
"THE CAR HAS BEEN RESTORED AS NECESSARY TO BRING IT BACK TO ITS ORIGINAL CONDITION. THE ENGINE WAS REBUILT BACK TO ORIGINAL"

Really....time machine huh??????
 
The first car looks nice, the second needs a little help and the third has been popping up for sale often. On the third one the left fender trim heading downhill always bugs me, you would think that they would have prefit everything before paint, or at least run a straight edge down the side.
 
tigers

the right hand bulk head brace is not alpine. the coil bracket is welded to the alpine brace. this looks like it has been drilled for some other reason.
 
The right bulkhead brace on tigers would have had a hole for the P clip to hold the original vacuum line for the booster.

The 2nd cars has lots wrong.. we all can see that.. what concerns me is the guy saying TAc is an expensive and time consuming process.. it is neither of those..

The car is far from its original spec or condition.. which doesn't matter.. unless you claim that you have out it back to it! It's a buyer beware situation.. pointers look bad.. and car looks rough and workmanship very questionable
 
tigers,

michael,
if you live on the east coast or in the Midwest it can cost a lot of money to get your car to a place where cars are being tac'ed. the next time for those of us on the east coast that I know of to get a tac inspection done is at the te/ae united in october. for someone here in ohio that means 700 miles one way plus hotel,gas and other expenses. someone in the Midwest could easily drive 1000 miles or more. that adds up fast! it may not cost much for the inspection but it will cost a lot just to get there. most of the cars in this part of the country get trailered so that runs expense up a bunch. I average 10 mpg with either the closed or the open trailer. I will probably spend 600.00 or more just for gas. there is a high cost to get a tac inspection in this part of the world.
 
Sabre Tooth Cat

Norm the tag on your pic has the same vin no. as the ebay red car. Maybe this is one of the not so rare Sabre tooth Tiger Fred Flintstone edition.

Mike you should be a TAC inspector. There should be clearly more guys to get the get the wheat separated from the chafe. We have a glut of them in LA and in the bay area of SF. I am sure there are many willing to step up and improve the level of service for the good of the clan.


A few guys have told me 2 to 5 years have elapsed since they got their TAC cert. yet the website is blank or unclaimed still follows their vin and I am in that same boat.

You should get what you pay for as the process now costs 75 bucks. I started mine process in 2011 and completed it in 2012 several months later after they started charging.

By the way the Alger I drove for the out of state buyer had a 302 roller that would kick the crap out of me in my 5K14M dated motor.. That is one of reasons I volunteered to look at it, other than the polite, "hey wanna sell that Tiger wood steering wheel"? proposition to seller. The car is on its way to the Midwest.
 
TAC

I'll throw my two cents worth in and say I have to agree, or at least sympathize with, car #2's owner's feelings about the TAC. I live in So Cal, where one would assume it would be convenient to arrange a TAC inspection, and when I tried to arrange to have my Tiger #2 TAC'd before dissassembling it for restoration.... well, it didn't happen. I was told there were only two TAC events a year, and one had just happened when I inquired, so it would be "about 6 months". Couldn't wait that long, so I joined STOA and offered to trailer my car to the SF area at a time and location of their convenience for a TAC - still was never able to set anything up. I'm hoping to have the car TAC'd at Big Bear, although I really wanted to TAC both Tigers at the same time, but can only drive one. So, I can easily appreciate how someone in the middle of the country (who's obviously skimping on what they spend on the car anyway) would find the logistics of setting up a TAC, not to mention the travel expenses of the inspectors, an unsurmountable obstacle to having their vehicle TAC'd.
Bob Knight
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My TAC experience

I dont have any TAC experience. A few weeks before the Tiger meeting at Woodly Park, I asked if any TAC inspectors would be in attentence. There was no responce, not even a we dont do it that way, NOTHING. Sure glad I know who all 4 owners of my car were.
 
Normally I don't comment about STOA's TAC stuff but in this case, since I coordinate most of the SoCal TAC activities, I'll write about my involvement.

The "newbies" probably don't know that the TAC program in SoCal really didn't exist ten years ago. About then CAT arranged for a team of STOA inspectors to head south to do some TACing. After a couple visits the STOA started training some SoCal inspectors, myself included. Over the years, others have stepped forward and have also taken the inspector training. The SoCal program is still a work in progress and we continue to grow. It's totally a volunteer effort. The inspectors get no pay. (The $50 charge goes directly to the STOA to defray costs of the program. I have no idea where Warren got the $75 number.)

We at CAT routinely host two TAC events per year, not counting the TAC at TU. Guys have trailered in cars from out of state, from Mammoth and all points south to have their cars TACed. Yet I've gotten calls a week after a TAC event from a Tiger owner who wanted me to arrange for myself and two inspectors to trek to his home to inspect his "special case" Tiger. I had one guy insist the inspectors should drive by his house after a scheduled TAC even reasoning it was so close! Talk about helping someone who won't help himself!

Sometimes I have had trouble arranging for enough inspectors to cover a scheduled TAC event, so you can guess how eager the inspector team is to take more of their free time to cater to these special cases. However we still have managed to get a number of these special cases done so far this year. I've probably put in a dozen freeway hours on these cases this year. As I recall, Warren's car was a "special case" a year or two ago.

It's common knowledge that the STOA is upgrading its computer system which is why some of the TAC certificates don't currently show up.

Which brings me to the manpower situation. The STOA membership is about a third the size of CAT. I doubt that it's half. My point is that their manpower is much less than we have at CAT. And at CAT, with over 600 members we have about 10 who do the work (and 90% of that work is done by about 5 of those dedicated volunteers). I know where I am in that mix. And STOA is considerably smaller. So they could probably use help even more than we could.

I give a lot of time (& other stuff) to the Tiger community. I wear a lot of hats - a CAT hat, a TAC hat and a Tiger Racer cap, and others. They all compete for my time and, to be honest, there are times when TAC takes a backseat. Last week the CAT autocross was in the front seat, replaced this week by the SCF Tiger that needs to be put together for a trip to Willow next weekend.

From this thread it seems some of you don't like level of service you are getting from (unpaid) volunteers. I see two choices. You could give them a raise or step up and pitch in yourself. (I could supply all the inspectors you'd ever want if each inspector got $300 for driving to someone's house to TAC a car.)

When one pays nothing, how can he have the "stones" to gripe? Beats me.


Just to be clear, 67 Tiger didn't ask me if there would be cars TAC'ed at Woodley. (Lot's of Tiger owners call me with these questions (Warren certainly found me) - my number is in the front of every Tiger Tales.) The answer is "yes", we had 3 judges there and I brought all the TAC paperwork. However nobody asked me to TAC their Tiger. And no question about TACing was raised at the CAT Meeting. (I figure I'm pretty hard to miss, especially at the meeting.)

And Bob Knight, I look forward to inspecting your car at Big Bear. Too bad you also missed TAC at Woodley.

As far as the thousand miles thing... It's no secret that a Tiger with a TAC certificate has a certain value in the marketplace that cars without don't have. Perhaps the increase in perceived value offsets travel expense? Every year more TAC groups are being established all over the country. I traveled to the UK (on my own dime) twice last year to train inspectors over there. (OK I also drank some Scotch and visited a few pubs.) Anyone can step up and do what we did here, i.e. start an inspector team. It takes work. It takes volunteers who will give the marque some of their time.

The Tiger community is only as good as its members choose to make it. Most members give, but quite a few only take. "Givers" make us better. "Takers" to me are just leaches. The marque needs the givers! Please consider your words carefully when you choose to criticize their efforts. You might end up driving them away. I've already got too much to do. Please don't make it harder. Remember the old Folger's commercial? "You get what you pay for!"

bt
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Senior TAC Inspector
74 SCF Tiger
CAT Forum Administrator
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Thanks

Buck as one of the people doing the "work" for CAT and the Tiger Community thanks for taking the time to put this posting up.

I get lots of thanks for what I do but some grief for what I do not do or CAT does not do from time to time.

The big picture and the thank you's keep me and Bonnie going. Also the the people like you and Claudia so we are not alone.

Rick
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TAC Training

At the risk of appearing (and admittedly being) somewhat in the dark on the process of TAC Training, please advise; 1) what qualifications are required in order for someone to become an Inspector, and 2) how do candidates achieve the requisite training? It would seem that on the issue of TAC Inspections, a significant load is being carried by just a handful of generous volunteers and that perhaps the strategic placement of some additional Inspectors could be of benefit. I, for one, would be willing to step up if by doing so would help the greater good. As a resident of western Canada, places like Vancouver Island, the Mainland and communities as far south as Portland, would all be within reasonable reach. I'm sure others in this area would volunteer to be trained as well, as long as the process is not unduly prohibitive. In any event, could someone please provide a short commentary on the training process? Thank you.
Oh, and many thanks to all of you who already, selflessly and voluntarily, give so much of your time and effort to keep something in which we all have significant interests and investments, not only alive but on the road and roaring forward.
Cheers! Mike
 
I was at the 1988 SUNI in Snowmass, COLO.
I remember someone with a clip board going over my car and said something about me painting my car green and the paint code is 1 so its suppose to be black.
Now what I want to know were they TAC the car or what?
Now I know for sure its a real Tiger because I'm the second owner since 1971
Thanks TTT
 
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