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This car looks to be the sad mkii listed a couple of teays back by the rust on the top of the guard.. Many more photos this time. Perhaps even scarier?


http://m.ebay.com/itm/291399446523?nav=SEARCH
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Well thank God he showed that he has that he has the plug wires that go with the car. :p

How can a car that complete and original get that that rusty? It must have spent it's like in a coastal area and the salt air ate it up. That is a shame because other than the mater cylinders being removed, it appears to have most of everything there.
 
Seller is not posting the full VIN. Intentionally taped over VIN in photos. He is looking for a MKII Alger creator.

Report to ebay as vehicle misrepresentation (VIN not represented or missing).
 
Worth the vin tags at 15k. Wonder how high someone is willing to go with no SS trim. I think the trim is harder to find than vin tags!
One has to ask the question: if this was a MKI or Ia, and was repaired, would if still be a MKI vs doing the same to a MKII. Because of the rarity and prices of the MKII, are there rules that apply to the II that don't apply to the I and Ia. I'm going to say yes, I think people put the II in a different class.
 
I asked the seller (forum member name "Tiger parts") what the full VIN was. Got this response -
""Seller is not posting the full VIN. Intentionally taped over VIN in photos. He is looking for a MKII Alger creator.

Report to ebay as vehicle misrepresentation (VIN not represented or missing)."

That sounds a little judgmental, Duke...

If I thought you were a buyer, I would be glad to share the VIN. By the way, the tape/cardboard has been protecting the VIN for many years...

This car is listed in the Tiger Registry as numbers matching.

Thanks!"

I responded - Then post the VIN, why are you hiding it from the Tiger community?

He is located in CA but I do not think the car is, last one he sold was in FL. Please tell me why a VIN needs "protecting"?
 
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Parts Is Parts

Sad case for sure. There's a yellow top coil for ya, Duke.
 
I agree

It is against eBay policy to sell cars without listing the vin. Just like Craigslist flag it or click on report. The policies are consumer protection law oriented and rightly so. The car may or may not be on file at state DMV's. Click on listing practices, then vehicle misrepresentation, then again on vehicle misrepresentation then send report.

This seller should disclose the vin at least in personal conversations and let the chips or dollars fall where they may. Not doing so is a misrepresentation of a material fact, the car could be stolen could have a salvage title or could be off computers requiring inspection and possible holds by law enforcement or worse.

It is a nice collection of parts except for the spark plug wires..:D
 
tiger

warren,
the seller is not required to list the VIN unless it is a 1981 or later vehicle. when listing a vehicle and you get to the VIN number it clearly states it's not required unless it's 1981 or later.
 
Why No VIN?

Maybe I missed it in a previous posting, but the US Government's Department of Justice operates the National Motor Vehicle Title Information System. With a VIN number, one can get a report on a vehicle, to find out if there is any issues with the car (i.e., stolen, reported totalled in another state, flood damaged, etc.). Unfortunately, the DoJ does not issue the information directly. Instead you have to buy the report from an authorized data provider. I have never used this system, so cannot vouch for its value. And I don't know if it only handles the newer, standardized VIN numbers and not the older (Tiger) VIN numbers. This may be why certain sellers are reluctant to list their car's VIN number - they might be afraid what such a report might show.

Here is the link to the website for the NMVTIS - http://vehiclehistory.gov/
 
wreck

it was around 1981 or there abouts that the feds started requiring VIN numbers with a 17 character VIN number. this is what you enter when looking up info on a site such as "CAR FAX". I've used this feature many times. of course a sunbeam does not have a 17 character VIN so I doubt there would be any info. I also see a lot of car photos on the net that have the license plate covered so no one can pull up info using the number since that's one of the options available. you also will get info on previous owners so withholding the VIN could prevent prying eyes or hackers. that's part of a thing called privacy.
 
"Because of the rarity and prices of the MKII, are there rules that apply to the II that don't apply to the I and Ia?"

I think the rules need to be the same for ALL Tigers.

I understand that the MkII has limited numbers because of Chrysler's stupidity in killing the car. Going purely on looks, frankly I would take a Mk1 any day. I always thought the MkII changes were clownish. I know it was done to separate the Tiger from the Alpine looks wise. But as Chrysler is famous for with their designs, it missed the mark for me.
 
Privacy and o/t

And Rebeca's law governing disclosure of lic. plate data and vin numbers are apples and oranges.
It is a requirement 1 digit or 17 period.

I do know I have had multiple vehicles vin verified. Insures will cherry pick and not issue policies to salvage vehicles as is their right.

If you want to make an argument that holds water for not disclosing do so in the real world where they clone a vin on a bad vehicle as the same number with a good history report.

You cannot do that in the Tiger world too easily, even though you may get away in a different state or country, as they do not co operate too well unless it is a theft and they pay out. Insurers are really interested if they pay out in getting their money back.

I can read rather well and do not support the actions of a company that sometimes enforces it's own rules for a lousy listing fee, I call that too big to care.

XXX is not a number, unless you are a Vin Diesel fan.
 
The seller, being a "smart" guy sent me this pic.

VIN_zpshmn2oty5.jpg


It appears now, the auction intent is a VIN sale and I am 99% of the VIN now. Will get with Norm to make sure we track the number so that it can be closely scrutinized if it appears in a restored car in the future.
 
All Numbers

Duke Mk1a said:
The seller, being a "smart" guy sent me this pic.

VIN_zpshmn2oty5.jpg


It appears now, the auction intent is a VIN sale and I am 99% of the VIN now. Will get with Norm to make sure we track the number so that it can be closely scrutinized if it appears in a restored car in the future.
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I asked for all the numbers and got no response . . . . .
 
Gotcha

With JALs not being in a logical sequence and with other MK2s being accounted for, it wouldn't take much work to figure out this car's identity with that photo.
 
Not So Sure

tiger260 said:
With JALs not being in a logical sequence and with other MK2s being accounted for, it wouldn't take much work to figure out this car's identity with that photo.
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With all MkIIs having a VIN number that starts with B38210 and JAL numbers that begin with 700, I'm note sure that the photo allows the elimination of any vehicles' identities. I guess the purpose of the photo is only to show that there is a MkII VIN plate and JAL plate.
 
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