1965 Mark1 Tiger For Sale at Hemmings

Warning warning warnng Will Roger -Is listed with more photos on facebook one of which I'm sure shows the battery box!
 
picture of the trunk shows no battery holdown parts, no spare hold down, engine bay shot shows no mounts for coolant tank on the left and no relief for the generator on the right.
 
Bryan said:
never seen jal tag matching vin tag numbers? Runaway
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It's clearly an Alpine. No JAL tag sequence begins with the number 1. Should start with"56" for a 65 MK1 Tiger. Also, no provision in the hood hinge panel for attaching the radiator fan shroud (riv-nuts).

You will note that the vendor is non-responsive to questions as well.
 
Methinks it's a TiPine fer sure . . . . . .Does Hemmings have a caution method?
 
don't think so... I did contact the vendor... like the guy with the car from the Caymen's, he replied it was in "the registry" whatever that was.... I told him it was demonstrably an Alpine....
 
He has a TAC certificate... signed by #20, #48 and #49.... how that happened is absolutely beyond me.
 
Bryan said:
never seen jal tag matching vin tag numbers? Runaway
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I have!! Norm told me there are precious few of those but they DO exist... as far as the rest of that car... ???:rolleyes:
These pics are from a pretty original ( but rusty ) car

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Most of the cars in the chassis number range have JAL numbers 300-500 lower than the chassis number. They're not even close to the chassis number. This is because of the difference in the JAL sequence .. The Mk1 cars start at #1, but the JAL numbers for MK1's include "55" (1964) prefixed cars, "56" (1965) prefixed cars and "575" (GT cars) prefixed cars....
 
Austin Healer said:
He has a TAC certificate... signed by #20, #48 and #49.... how that happened is absolutely beyond me.
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II would TAC my car if I could but living in New Zealand makes that pretty difficult if not impossible. I see nothing wrong with a V8 engined Alpine if that is what it is sold as but selling one as a Tiger is a different matter . TAC seemed to offer our hobby some certainty around what you were buying
However given the multiple "Tiger Inconsistencies " evident on just the photos does this car not that place the whole TAC program under somewhat of a cloud ??
 
Agent 861 said:
II would TAC my car if I could but living in New Zealand makes that pretty difficult if not impossible. I see nothing wrong with a V8 engined Alpine if that is what it is sold as but selling one as a Tiger is a different matter . TAC seemed to offer our hobby some certainty around what you were buying
However given the multiple "Tiger Inconsistencies " evident on just the photos does this car not that place the whole TAC program under somewhat of a cloud ??
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It certainly calls into question the knowledge of the people that authenticated this car..... I just cannot understand how on earth it was inspected and rec'd a TAC certificate...
 
The TAC cert numbers of the folks who inspected the car are fairly low. It makes me wonder if the car was inspected some time ago. The owner/seller may have a TAC certificate, but the REAL QUESTION is does the car have a TAC sticker installed in the correct location? It is not inconceivable that a Tiger properly passed a TAC inspection, but later was wrecked and some of the Tiger parts were transplanted onto an Alpine. If anyone is considering the purchase of the car, check to see if the TAC sticker is undamaged and in place. If I had a car with a TAC sticker and it had to be removed for the car to be repainted, I would get the car reinspected. In my view, a car without a TAC sticker or a damaged sticker may or may not be the same car that passed inspection previously.
 
Who is to say that the certificate is not fake ? I am sure if a tiger can be faked then so can a certificate A certificate along with the TAC sticker would be more likely it is a Tiger with its original chassis
 
HolyCat said:
The TAC cert numbers of the folks who inspected the car are fairly low. It makes me wonder if the car was inspected some time ago. The owner/seller may have a TAC certificate, but the REAL QUESTION is does the car have a TAC sticker installed in the correct location? It is not inconceivable that a Tiger properly passed a TAC inspection, but later was wrecked and some of the Tiger parts were transplanted onto an Alpine. If anyone is considering the purchase of the car, check to see if the TAC sticker is undamaged and in place. If I had a car with a TAC sticker and it had to be removed for the car to be repainted, I would get the car reinspected. In my view, a car without a TAC sticker or a damaged sticker may or may not be the same car that passed inspection previously.
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In another forum I raised the same issue... The car had some notes on the TAC re the JAL..was listed as non original riverts .was listed as painted white ..

This was in 2006.. Almost 20 years ago .. I asked if the TAC sticker was still on the car.. that would be a first check... If so...a check of if it's the proper sticker .. because the body as it stands ( battery box and engine bay ) raises concerns.... And I would question if it passed TAC as it stands today....

IIrc Joel G said he may have owned the car in its previous life... ?

either way.. a ton of flags raised.. and the price for such a car is well beyond what the market sits
 
HolyCat said:
The TAC cert numbers of the folks who inspected the car are fairly low. It makes me wonder if the car was inspected some time ago. The owner/seller may have a TAC certificate, but the REAL QUESTION is does the car have a TAC sticker installed in the correct location? It is not inconceivable that a Tiger properly passed a TAC inspection, but later was wrecked and some of the Tiger parts were transplanted onto an Alpine. If anyone is considering the purchase of the car, check to see if the TAC sticker is undamaged and in place. If I had a car with a TAC sticker and it had to be removed for the car to be repainted, I would get the car reinspected. In my view, a car without a TAC sticker or a damaged sticker may or may not be the same car that passed inspection previously.
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The tac certificate that he has lists the same incorrect JAL number the certificate is #683. The car was inspected on Oct, 15, 2006
 
Don't trust just a certificate. As Tony said, need the sticker along with the cert.
 
As far as I remember when mine was TAC’d, they just write down whatever it says on the tags and don’t comment on ‘originality’ as they’re really only looking at the ‘shell’ I was told that the sticker is made in such a way that it could never be removed without destroying it 😆

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