BON ..

Michael,

The Tiger market is changing ...as the population of good cars diminishes
that pushes up the prices and it's not uncommon for a good restoration to cost
upwards of a hundred grand US $$. Norm's book is unique and no longer published so the market has decided what the going rate will be and it will continue to rise...$2500 is small peanuts when you are plunking down big bucks on a restoration and you want all the bells and whistles. In the Cobra world Peter Brock published a book "Daytona Cobra Coupes" which is out of print and very rare. I bought one back in 2000 for $500 and it's now worth
fifteen times that amount and Pete will never republish the book. Be thankful
that the Tiger has finally started to get the recognition that it deserves in the
collector market.

Moondoggie

I get where you are coming from, and things like brochures for ferrari 250 series cars etc all sell for big $.. the Tigers are rising in value yes.. but in a somewhat peak and fall way. There are some nice restos coming through the community (yours is a good example of a restomod one.. and dale has done some nice stock restos too) I really don't see the very fast jump in value of the book.. i understand how it got to 1K.. not how its making it to 3.5k+.

The more the cars are worth the more that gets spent on the restos/better the repro parts get... that said.. how long will it last.. how long before the current crop of guys who are into them move on?

At the moment down here the big upswing in classics is in late 70's early-mid 80's cars.. basically the 30 year rule.. find guys who are 40-50 .. what car did they want when they were 18?... thats what starts to climb in value.

Also the sunbeams suffer the fact they are quite obscure and as a brand that no longer exists.. the more time passes the less people know what they are. Tigers have the advantage of being a bit of a muscle car so the v8 gets them some kudos.. look how undervalued alpines are for what they offer... and in some ways.. they might have peaked in value.

i love my sunbeams.. but wonder how big the following will be, what the value of them will be when i make 45-50? :eek:
 
future prices!

Michael, I think what has surprised me most driving the Tiger in lower Alabama, ( well, Pensacola) in what I thought would be total obscurity is the number of young men constantly giving me thumbs up, hollering out their windows, etc about the car. Sure the older geezers (like me) quote the stats at gas stations while ur gasing up, but if this new younger group continues this direction, when we are all dead , these prices may be dirt. A few days ago when my youngest son finally saw the tiger said"so this is the type car you wanted to buy me for 2200. as my first car" !!! He's only 25!!!!!:eek:
 
It is my personal mission to educate the central US on what a Sunbeam Tiger is.

To help in that quest, I am accepting donations for a TKO 600 conversion to make the hwy miles easier on me and the Tiger.
 
The Next Generation

It is my personal mission to educate the central US on what a Sunbeam Tiger is.

The welding & motor shops gather the hard core drop-ins with an occasional curious youngster (under 50) who will usually have all the internet stats at his fingertips, but no real interest in the kittens. The paint & body shops seem to gather the most crowds across the generations who stare & wish, but suffer from too short legs to get over the economic hurdles. I think that the cars will survive, but the attitudes toward them will not be the same as ours. The money vs value thing is another debate altogether . . . . . .
 
TBON

Made in china they repop rolex,nike,women desinger clothes why not TBON?(easier to ask for forgivness then permission) books coming soon soon cheap
 
A boy named SUE!

So you've written a book on the Tiger ,spent your own Dollar..It's taken you ages to sell it and you have not made a Dime. Then somebody come's along and say's "Hey I can reproduce this in China!"
The reality is that this book is copyright to Mr Miller...gosh it says so in the Book? So how come some people dont understand this small fact?.....I doubt it will be in the stores soon!!....confused ? yes i am!
cheers D:confused:
 
How do you do?

Psst, hey mister. Want'a buy book? Real cheap. :D

I'm sure any references here to BON being copied in China were said tongue in cheek.
 
I think most of us were kidding when we said to copy the book. I had a BON when they were new, guess you could say I was an original owner. I loaned it to a fellow Tiger owner in the mid 90's and never saw the book again, it's somewhere in SoCal. I have borrowed the club book to look through and was happy with that. Plus if I am not mistaken the original run sold out fairly quickly.
 
BON

What is the world wide demand for this book?
2500 copies?
Difficult for that production run to make sense.
IMHO
Dave
 
Lucky me !!!! I just bought a BON that is signed by Norm and the original
sales slip is in the book...costs $65.81 back on 12-7-1993 hmmmmm
my calculator doesn't have enough zeros to display return on investment for
the original buyer....I'll just slide that right in the bookcase next to Daytona Cobra Coupes

Moondoggie
 
For the record, I just recently sold my BON. It was the one discussed here that was on Ebay. It went to a "gent" in IL. who apparently runs or works for a Ford dealership.

My original postings on the bay were confusing, as they were my first. But the offer came privately, and I accepted it. And, no, I won't disclose. Suffice to say it was less than my original "buy it now", but acceptable.

So, yet again, another pristine book is out in the fold for you fellas to ponder. My end is here.

Thanks. And many thanks to you know who.

QCfly
 
oh no

Another steps on the slippery slope of its okay to advertise a product on eBay then sell out of eBay.
Maybe what's wrong here is the crowing about it as nobody is perfect.
''Those who know"... Give me and the forum a break, have a nice life and claim the profit on your tax return.
 
Dragging an old thread back up... Here I am, a legitimate, longtime (relatively) owner of a really nice (objectively) Sunbeam Tiger, which has been TACed, and even documented by the esteemed and invaluable Norm Miller. My car was what can be considered a "barn find", all there, but neglected in a garage for many years. It was spray painted silver when I adopted it, but the original Mediterranean Blue was still on the panels when I rubbed the silver off. The ID tags are still attached to the body with factory rivets and screws. It has all matching number equipment, engine, transmission and rear end.

Quite often, strangers, both young and old, wander up my driveway to look at this cool old car in the garage. Next to it is a 1972 Porsche 911. Interestingly, no one has ever come up to look at that car, possibly because the 911 is so ubiquitous and the shape has not changed much over its 50 year model life. I wonder if this means anything about the interest in the Tiger and, potentially, its future value. It is so different from almost anything else that is out there, has an undeniable pedigree, Shelby parentage, and race history. I would not be surprised to see values go through the roof -- or not. Who knows? Certainly, all the elements are there for it to remain a collectible car into the future. But my interest is not so much in the value of the car as it is in its preservation.

BTW, I am a relative youngster, far to young to have any nostalgic feelings about this car, so I don't believe anyone who says that only geezers are interested in these cars and when they go, the car's value is doomed.

Anyway, for several years, I have been lovingly bringing my Tiger back to its former glory, as my time and family responsibilities have permitted. It's been a true labor of love and it has sucked up more of my life than I like to admit to myself. I am finicky about originality, even on parts that no one will ever see, and I insist on doing it right or not doing it at all, which adds a lot of time to my effort. I have stubbornly kept any and all parts removed from the car to replace with new parts, like the old dash, with was cracked and ugly, even old pedal pads. The car looks and drives great at this point, but I do still have a few details to attend to.

Over these years, I bought every Tiger book I could get my hands on, and have supplemented that information by speaking with the experts, like Norm, Doug, Dale, Bill, etc., as well as reading on this and other forums. I have never held or even seen a copy (or even a page) of the Book of Norman, and I guess I never will, considering its market value. And that bothers me because I would like to be able to at least refer to it to do a "sanity check" on my car -- go over it from nose to tail to ensure that it is indeed right and as good as it can be. I was very lucky that my car was complete when I picked it up, so I never had to resort to relying on guesswork; still, it seems nuts that there is no way for me to have this important reference book, even if just to have a peek at it for a few days.

Forget about me; it seems like every Tiger out there should have one of these books in the trunk!

Certainly, there must be a way to get together with the owner of the intellectual property and the copyright to make it worthwhile for him (or them). No? Any ideas?
 
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"Certainly, there must be a way to get together with the owner of the intellectual property and the copyright to make it worthwhile for him (or them). No? Any ideas? "

The author has been approached in the past about putting out a CD of the book and his response was no.
 
"Certainly, there must be a way to get together with the owner of the intellectual property and the copyright to make it worthwhile for him (or them). No? Any ideas? "

The author has been approached in the past about putting out a CD of the book and his response was no.

THis situation is not unlike Peter Brock's book " Daytona Cobra Coupes" which was printed once with a circulation of 2500 copies. Today a copy sells for $2500/$3000 and Pete will never authorize another printing. The reason is if you do that the value of the first printing goes way down. The best thing to do is save your money and buy a copy of the BON when and if one becomes available. In the meantime much of the info found in the BON can be found in several other current publications...and the club has one that is loaned out.

Moondoggie
 
Pete will never authorize another printing. The reason is if you do that the value of the first printing goes way down.

Unless you paid thru the nose for a copy do the common folk that would like to have a copy care if the price comes down. Unless Brock and Miller have a few copies laying around why would they care either? May be the reason why though, as I understand Miller had a loss putting his book out. Maybe he's got a few gathering dust but he'll always be in the red if he doesn't sell them.

As time goes on the price should come down dramatically as half or so of the vehicle registration info in the book becomes outdated.
 
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