Clock repair and conversion from Lee

It also has the incorrect bezel profile, thebsunveans have the rounded profile. You could swap it over snd use it in a series I/II alpine or paint hands to use in a mki tiger.
 
That clock will sell for too much for the required work. Face, bezel, hands and I think he said it was a positive ground too. If converted the case will always have positive earth stamped into it too. The reference to Tiger will have some unsuspecting owner pay high money for the clock. The best thing for that is to go into the car it was make to be in. Lee
 
so if im understanding this right, this conversion/upgrade is something that would be done AFTER a clock was refurbished yes?

I was going to send my grubby old clock (3131/00 for those keeping track) to get refurbished with my other grubby gauges. Then once the clock LOOKS like new-- I can send it to this gentleman and it will then RUN better than new?

Coincidentally I am only 15 minutes from the address listed for his shop (my brother lives < 1 mile away)

thanks
 
chrisd said:
so if im understanding this right, this conversion/upgrade is something that would be done AFTER a clock was refurbished yes?

I was going to send my grubby old clock (3131/00 for those keeping track) to get refurbished with my other grubby gauges. Then once the clock LOOKS like new-- I can send it to this gentleman and it will then RUN better than new?

Coincidentally I am only 15 minutes from the address listed for his shop (my brother lives < 1 mile away)

thanks
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Mike Eck the clock an can do the cleanup and conversion.
 
Conversion

If your clock face is so sun bleached it needs a restoration Mike does not do that that I know of. The process is rather fiddly repainting applying Letraset letters and then a clear coat then re assembly. I am too nervous using hot dog fingers to remove the hands, especially after I broke a tachometer needle when removing in a restoration conversion to a 8000 RPM Jaeger style.
 
Lee,

The clock on ebay is a refaced 2194 or 3131 clock? Not an original 3030/00 is that right?

The copy of the auction is a little confusing, it reads like its an original 3030 that was restored.
 
Hep Cats

A recent concourse session they discussed the idea that a inspection mirror could be used to see the markings on the can of the clock telling its conversion.

Since it was a dealer installed option I do see the logic that a positive ground clock is incorrect.
 
Warren: I restored one 1,000 point car, my last one. That is totally against the intent of a restored car. A concourse restoration would actually rebuild the gauges and silkscreen is an accepted method for restoration. Are they going to check for silk screen? It would be crazy to take a judging to that level. Nobody can possible have real original perfect tires for their concourse car dated correctly. So everyone loses points. Reproduction wire harnesses probably do not have the exact count of wires etc. Connectors are not perfect to originals. This level of judging would never allow anyone to have a perfect restored car.

The opposite of that is over restore. Should judges mark off for chrome that is better than original. Our Tigers are not judged like other cars and shouldn't be. Actually the best Tiger should be the restored car closest to how it came off the production line. Crappy paint and chrome and body fit. That is where the Corvette guys have gone. They went full circle "over restore" to exact restore. And.....finally points off for our reproduction air cleaners. Lee
 
Messenger

Lee don't slay the messenger cause you don't like the message. I feel it is completely off base to make take an inspection mirror as described. But the facts are the facts and they said what they said. It will be their United and their ball game with their rules.

I have said this before in any event in other threads. I hate to bust your chops but they are not silkscreened but vinyl Letraset was the brand name of the vinyl cling product many moons ago. Many many guys have used the same system on Tiger restorations and others and that is not my point.

This clock will play the part quite well. The second part of the discussion was that all else being equal "which never can be" judging one car vs another they will look for the smallest nit if they feel like it. Which means they are prejudiced by their own opinions that are as fickle as the wind IMHO.

Apple and Orange argument, Mon... the stamping on a case on a clock of positive earth is the same only if 69024 is stamped on a chrome AC air filter lid. The car at the seminar was the most recent Lord Rootes trophy winner and he scoffed at my whispered comment that he had the AC housing on backwards "numbers facing rear of car" and that 69024 on a chrome lid was fine. Really I do not think much stuff can really be proved up one way or the other but clearly a dealer could not have put a positive ground clock from a Alpine on a Tiger, well maybe he could have since it's mounted in a wood dash:D
 
leepear said:
I cant edit Warrens post but will post the numbers when we are sure. Right now there is a discussion about the 3030 00 and 3131 00 for the US Mk1. I need to find someone with the 3030 00 I have a question in to Graham in England and Norm Miller. One of these guys will know the right answer. So stay tuned for the Mk1part number. If you know with certainty (no my car came with a " answers please)please let me know the correct number. It is important for getting the Mk1 early guys the correct clock and 100 point restorations the ability to be 100% correct if they have a clock. Lee


We need to find a 3030 00 clock from an owner then confirm it says negative ground on the face top or back. We know the 3030 exists from the picture attached.
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Did you ever hear back from the 'Gurus' ?

I still believe what I posted several years ago...

..."SAOCA article lists the 3030/00 Rootes part# 1228949 clock as being MK1 only whilst the Alpine parts list shows that same clock as original for Series III & IV and has it superceding ALL earlier clock part#'s . This is why I think the pics and descriptions are switched with the 3131/00 as I would think the 3030/00 would have to be pos. earth! " ...

Every pos. earth clock I've seen has the part# at the top ( and all neg. ground part#'s at the bottom ) including the CE3030/00 which the parts list shows for Series III and IV which are Pos. ground cars. I have a couple pics of a neg. ground CE 3131/00 from Jeff Howarth in UK for reference... also a CE 3030/00 and the parts list reference
 
Believed to be original clock

For whatever value you see here. I have a MK1 where I replaced the dash. It came with ammeter, correct cigarette lighter and clock. When I took the dash apart if looked to be all original and undisturbed from new. The clock is a CE3131/00 in the picture. The car was built in Jan 1965 and sold late 1965. I am confident that the clock was in the car at the time of sale.
 
Consensus????

In light of the points made by Jim (66TigerMk1A) and the observations made by Arnie, do we have any consensus on the correct clock for Mk1's?

As Jim asked, have the gurus weighed in? Are we sticking with the 3030, as identified in the BON and the now removed SAOCA article? Or, is the 3131 possibly the correct model?

Inquiring minds would like to know. I have been searching for a real 3030 since the day I got my car five years ago and have yet to see one.
 
Sorry, there is no consensus. This is still a grey area since 3131-00 and 3131-01 were both made in negative ground therefore in my humble opinion would be correct for our cars. The conclusion still to me is there are several correct clocks for the Tiger. The 3131 can be in any Tiger since it is an option and could have been added when the car was one two or three years old. There are pictures of the 3030 but confirmation has not surfaced to date. So we will flounder a while longer since there are not enough active people on this site to draw conclusions and we are all still trying to spot bigfoot. Lee
 
We have

Seen a picture but the facts still don't change a dealer could have added w/e he had that would work with exception of a Positive Earthed clock.
 
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