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I am looking at the Mk II on ebay and working on a possible trade for my 74 Pantera. Can anyone give me an opinion on its value just going off the ebay pictures and description. There is no mention of the hardtop and I am not sure if he has it or not, I will ask today. Also I looked up the VIN on the STOA site and got no results even though he shows a TAC in the auction photos, so I don't know what's up with that.
Also if anyone has any knowledge about this specific car, that would help.

Here's a link to the auction: http://www.ebay.com/itm/221376469143?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

Thanks
 
Pantera,
Since you are asking the value of the MkII listed - I'm thinking you might be new to Sunbeam Tiger ownership.

You should be aware that what ever the price this car ends up selling for - this car is missing the, very expensive (if you can find them) to replace, stock MkII trim. If you want a complete Tiger MkII you will need to find these pieces.

To replace these (again A HUGE IF you can find them) it will run you upwards of 30 - 40K (yes 30 - 40 THOUSAND DOLLARS).
The prices simple Tiger parts are going for on ebay - this might be a conservative estimate.

4 stainless wheel well moldings - 5 - 7K each
Rocker panel trim - 5-7K each (I haven't seen an original set of these for sale for 10 years).
Also finding the stock MkII speedometer will be tough.

That being said - a complete, running unrestored but in good condition, Tiger MkII can fetch 70,000-100,000+

John
 
Not Many Parts Made

Pantera351 said:
Wow. I knew they were expensive, but that's crazy expensive!
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These parts were used only on the Mk IIs and not on any other Rootes vehicle. I doubt they manufactured many spares. I have heard stories of the dealerships not being able to get some Mk II parts even while they had the cars on the lots.
 
67MKII said:
4 stainless wheel well moldings - 5 - 7K each
Rocker panel trim - 5-7K each (I haven't seen an original set of these for sale for 10 years).
Also finding the stock MkII speedometer will be tough.

John
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John are you saying that each wheel arch molding is 5-7 K as in you need 20-28K for a cars worth? :confused: i got to say i cant agree on that.. 5-7 K for a complete set perhaps.
 
"i got to say i cant agree on that.. 5-7 K for a complete set perhaps."

Since they are made out of unobtanium, a complete set may set a new world record for outrageous Tiger pieces prices.
 
dude234 said:
"i got to say i cant agree on that.. 5-7 K for a complete set perhaps."

Since they are made out of unobtanium, a complete set may set a new world record for outrageous Tiger pieces prices.
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Supply/demand and knowing who/where to get the parts...

I would suggest the sill moldings are the harder to find part. they were used on another rootes car.. but they are longer and the MKII ones have a molded end and bit without the patterning that would make them hard to cut down and be correct.

The arch trims.. well they come up time to time..normally not as a set, but they can be made from other rootes models that used the same profile trim on the arches.

As for the obsession with arts prices lately.. I think there is some odd hype going on.. and some weird things either making for "unusual" results.. or people have talked it up.. and like most things.. will come back down to realistic levels (thatsnot to say cheap) at some point.. i suspect some newer uneducated tiger owners coming in and paying crazy $ for something they think they wont be able to find anywhere else.. or falling for odd marketing tricks like putting unrelated rootes packaging in the background of ebay auctions.

That said.. if someone really is prepared to pay 5-7k an arch.. call me :p
 
michael-king said:
John are you saying that each wheel arch molding is 5-7 K as in you need 20-28K for a cars worth? :confused: i got to say i cant agree on that.. 5-7 K for a complete set perhaps.
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Michael,
When was the last time you saw one piece, let alone a full set of wheel well molding for sale. The last single moulding I saw went for almost 3K and that was many years ago.
Supply and demand. If you are a seller looking for a buyer - the buyer can deal. If you are a buyer looking for a seller - you don't get to name your price.
No one is going to make the stainless. Cost would be too much for the 10-15 people that need one. So the price continues to rise.

The 5K each is an estimate for what I think they might go for now. Since there have been no recent sales - who knows what they would go for. If not now - I can see 5K each in the near future.
If I told you 3 years ago that a cubby surround would go for $150 - you would have said I'm crazy. One just went for that this week.

Want to talk about how much the MKII only grill eyebrow is worth? Bill Gates could buy one but I can't.

John
 
Midnight auto parts

Is what it used to be called. When I lived in Hancock park area of L.A. my Hella branded headlights and 100 dollar parts would be carried away at night. They finally carried away the whole car.

I joke quite often with guys in my barrio buddy voice "Hey mon nice car where do you park,... I mean roughly what block."


At least all the poor guys that are missing trims can go personalized and then say "I don't like that garnish or those stickers either,"

I agree, this time of year and a good chat up or gin up seems to be a pre cursor to a eBay listing.

I for one am going to stay away from certain sellers who have a pre disposition to sell the same product more than one time.

If you go to old growth estate sales and yard sales lots of guys seemed to buy a new part install it then put the old part in the original wrapper or packaging.

The idea of dressing the auction with old stock packaging for a old part is somewhat deceptive to say the least.
 
67MKII said:
Michael,
When was the last time you saw one piece, let alone a full set of wheel well molding for sale. The last single moulding I saw went for almost 3K and that was many years ago.
Supply and demand. If you are a seller looking for a buyer - the buyer can deal. If you are a buyer looking for a seller - you don't get to name your price.
No one is going to make the stainless. Cost would be too much for the 10-15 people that need one. So the price continues to rise.

The 5K each is an estimate for what I think they might go for now. Since there have been no recent sales - who knows what they would go for. If not now - I can see 5K each in the near future.
If I told you 3 years ago that a cubby surround would go for $150 - you would have said I'm crazy. One just went for that this week.

Want to talk about how much the MKII only grill eyebrow is worth? Bill Gates could buy one but I can't.

John
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John,

there have been several single and a couple of paired arch trim auctions on rebay in the past few years... i can think of at least 6 in that time. Also there were trims advertsied in TEAE newsletters in the last 18 months.. they are out there.

As for a glovebox surround.. assume you mean the SI-V alpine (and very early vynil dash tiger) part around the cubby hole (open glove box) .. there have been heaps of crazy prices on ebay recently.. way off the scale.. but that happens now and then.

Im not saying the 'MKII parts are not valuable.. i'm just saying the hype sometimes sets off a snowball.. but eventually it finds reality. MKII bits will always be worth good money... but there is a ceiling and while some may breach it.. they will be the exception.. but the most talked about ones. :cool:
 
e bay

if you went to a dealer for parts in the late 60' or early 70's you found a lot of parts NLA. if you wanted a body panel for a tiger you got an alpine panel. slight modification required if you had a tiger with side trim. the MK 2 tiger was a limited production item just as the harringtons were. many of the parts were not available thru the dealers when the cars were being sold. 50 years later many specific parts are even harder to find. there are some people setting on parts that are rare and they know it. these same people are not going to sell the parts cheap. that's called supply and demand. the demand brings dollars. profit is not a dirty word! when it comes to including an old package in your photo there's a name for that. it's called creative marketing. companies spend a lot of money to come up with advertising and testimonials in order to sell products. positive feed back from satisfied buyers is a testimonial to what sellers are doing. why is it that there are a few that gripe about what vendors are selling items for and why do they make an issue over what is not exactly right whether it is a car or a part? why don't these folks spend some time at Hershey, Carlisle, Charlotte, Good Guys, etc. parts aren't cheap and many aren't pretty.
 
Creative Marketing

Most often gets fine print added to the advert.

To stay O/T here. It's not about the positives or negatives of eBay.

This tarred car may or may not have sold for 50+ less then a complete and correct in Sunbeam world car only time will tell as this is too small of a world today.

It has been 25 years that Dearborn Classics has said they would be making chromed alum. side trim for the 64 Falcon. There are way more than 536ish of them but it's the same problem. At least they no longer list it in their catalog, they must have gotten tired of me calling.
 
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Supply/Demand or Have/Have Nots

Warren said:
Most often gets fine print added to the advert.

To stay O/T here. It's not about the positives or negatives of eBay.

This tarred car may or may not have sold for 50+ less then a complete and correct in Sunbeam world car only time will tell as this is too small of a world today.

It has been 25 years that Dearborn Classics has said they would be making chromed alum. side trim for the 64 Falcon. There are way more than 536ish of them but it's the same problem. At least they no longer list it in their catalog, they must have gotten tired of me calling.
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Warren,

That is why you have to buy it when you see it. They were selling NOS grilles for the Falcon around that time and I bought the bullet. Also ended up buying a NOS set of 64 trim at the Columbus Ohio All Ford Show for about $300 which I thought was high, but now they are of that rare metal called unobtanium. I think all us car guys turn into hoarders. My wife asks me why I have 3 non working clocks for 2 non running Tigers.
 
That's easy tell her,

Cause the clocks are right 2x per day. Also tell her the cars will run someday but the clocks probably will never get fixed.

I just could use drivers side by the Chevrons upper. But really I am looking for a 302 V8 donor car running gear to V8 the car. But is is going to have to go behind the 64 bug vert VW in line.

Good to hear from you Robert..
 
Mark II parts

Well I haven't been on the Mark II market update on parts.
What do you think a set of Mark II restored fender trims is worth? Lower rocker trims, and the front nose trim arch, all restored.
 
grantstigers said:
Well I haven't been on the Mark II market update on parts.
What do you think a set of Mark II restored fender trims is worth? Lower rocker trims, and the front nose trim arch, all restored.
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I'm interested.....
 
It All Depends

grantstigers said:
Well I haven't been on the Mark II market update on parts.
What do you think a set of Mark II restored fender trims is worth? Lower rocker trims, and the front nose trim arch, all restored.
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If you are selling, about $100. :D (I'm outbidding Duke!)

If you are buying, I would guess around $5,000. :eek:

And no, I am not selling.
 
Up The Ante A Tad

HolyCat said:
If you are selling, about $100. :D (I'm outbidding Duke!)

If you are buying, I would guess around $5,000. :eek:

And no, I am not selling.
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I'll outbid things to $100.99 and kick in for shipping. When I sold our MK II trims, it brought what I thought was a small mortgage. Now they bring whatever you ask . . .I have customers who are looking for one or two of the wheel arches to replace damaged units.
 
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