MKII for sale, Germany

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Just because people did it, does not make it legal. Can anyone state where their country's or state's laws allow them to take the VIN plate (or registration number or whatever it is called) from one existing car and place it on another existing (not brand new)? The VIN on a body is supposed to stay on that body. Just because the body is wrecked or rusted does not mean that it can legally be moved to another (Alpine) body. Registering it as a Tiger is fraud. As already stated, doing this is not saving a Tiger. It is not rebodying a Tiger. It is repowering an Alpine, using Tiger parts.

And let's not forget that an Alpine body was built different from a Tiger body. Using an Alpine body to "make" a Tiger is no different than using an Austin Healey 3000 body to make a Cobra, just easier.

Sorry if this is getting redundant, but there are far too many misconceptions out there about Tigers. We don't need any more. The thinking that putting a Tiger VIN plate on an Alpine body makes the Alpine into a Tiger is one of them.

David
By the way, my statements should not be taken as any disrespect to those from the UK or Germany or any other country as Warren seemed to imply in an earlier posting. Yes, there is a more prevalent attitude to switching VIN plates from Tiger to Alpines than here in the US, but there are people here who also have no issues with calling their Alpine with a Tiger VIN a Tiger. (It also appears that the law in the UK does not seem to allow it.) When Michele and I visited the UK and France for many of the Tiger 50 events, we met many wonderful Tiger folks from the UK, Germany, Sweden, Australia, New Zealand, as well as others.
 
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moonshine stills are illegal also but that doesn't mean they aren't scattered all over the place in this part of the world. come to think of it, it's been years since I heard of someone being busted for having one. that also applies to someone for a rebody of his car. if you rebody several cars a week you may get a visit wanting to know where you stole them. I guess law enforcement has bigger fish to fry so what's the chance they'll run down an owner because he changed two rivets on his own car.
 
They closed down the place that was making Eleanor's a few years ago in Texas for doing just that---he was taking old Mustangs and attaching his own vin tag to it--the authorities busted him--at least that's the story I got.
 
Here in Germany it is possible - you have to be the owner of both vehicles and both vehicle documents. The vehicle papers are the most important proof of ownership here in Germany.
 
My Mk1 was bought from ebay in 2011. I had 2 Cqt members viisit the car and confirmed it as genuine. It was a low milage car bought in California in 64, driven till 84. During that time it had extensive damage, both driver side and off side. In 84 the car was garaged. Fast foward to 2011, I bought the wreck and had it shipped, with a cut up alpine, to Australia.
The car is almost out of the paint shop, it wears 2 panels from origional the rear boot and left rear guard/fender. All other body panels have been replaced by the doner car. My car is a Tiger.

If you buy a car anywhere in the world, and it get accident damaged, replacing body panels is standard procedure. So my car is still a Tiger.
 
I think the difference in your case is that the skeleton or bones are Tiger. You just did a little exterior plastic surgery.

I had a Tiger that was hit in the left rear quarter panel and caught on fire. I had to replace the rear clip from the back of both doors and even replaced the doors too, plus the left real frame rail and trunk floor. I was careful to reattach the Tiger spare mount, etc. That is still a Tiger too.

I just sold a 69 SCJ Mach 1 that was too rusty for me to save. I had to rebody, but didn't want to. So I sold it to a guy in VA who specializes in repairing cars this far gone without rebodying. I know where 2 or 3 really rusty Tigers are sitting. My next project may be to buy one and use an Alpine donor to fix the Tiger but not rebody. I think it just comes down to what it right and true in your heart. Kinda like the line between flirting and cheating in a relationship.

steven said:
My Mk1 was bought from ebay in 2011. I had 2 Cqt members viisit the car and confirmed it as genuine. It was a low milage car bought in California in 64, driven till 84. During that time it had extensive damage, both driver side and off side. In 84 the car was garaged. Fast foward to 2011, I bought the wreck and had it shipped, with a cut up alpine, to Australia.
The car is almost out of the paint shop, it wears 2 panels from origional the rear boot and left rear guard/fender. All other body panels have been replaced by the doner car. My car is a Tiger.

If you buy a car anywhere in the world, and it get accident damaged, replacing body panels is standard procedure. So my car is still a Tiger.
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Wow - That's Interesting!

MkIIdriver said:
Here in Germany it is possible - you have to be the owner of both vehicles and both vehicle documents.
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So does this mean that an owner of a 1960 VW Beetle and a 2014 Porsche can swap VINs and register the VW as a Porsche? Or are there other restrictions? Is the regulation, code, or law that allows this and explains the process available on the internet? I would love to read it.

Thanks!
David
 
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this question has nothing to do with a rebody but what does California law say about equipping a golf cart for use on city streets? is it legal? that's the big thing here. they have to have all the various lights added and a permit saying they meet regulations but in the summer we have a lot of them on the city streets but not on the main highways.
 
Don't Know

I did a quick search for "golf carts" in the DMV website http://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/ and got a list of regulations dealing with golf carts and other slow-moving vehicles - http://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/dmv/dmvhomes/dmvsearch?q=golf+carts&type=All&cx=001779225245372747843%3Auh-hxdgtdx8&ie=UTF-8&cof=FORID%3A9%3BNB%3A1&submit.x=15&submit.y=9

I would suggest you review the various regs listed from the search to find the answer to your question.

I do recall reading that such slow moving vehicles are restricted to roads with speed limits of 35 mph or less. Maybe you'll check the regs to see if that is indeed the case.

Ain't the internet great!!

David
 
HolyCat said:
So does this mean that an owner of a 1960 VW Beetle and a 2014 Porsche can swap VINs and register the VW as a Porsche? Or are there other restrictions? Is the regulation, code, or law that allows this and explains the process available on the internet? I would love to read it.

Thanks!
David
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http://www.stvzo.de/stvzo/inhalt.htm#1

§ 59 Fabrikschilder, sonstige Schilder, Fahrzeug - Identifizierungsnummer

The procedure is not clearly defined (typical) - any changes must be confirmed by a technical inspection organization - like TÜV, DEKRA etc. The § 59 traffic regulations is general in nature and any test engineer has a little leeway since many vintage cars not in frame stamped VIN numbers. But to stay with your example - you can not change a 1960 VW to a 2014 porsche with us. But Alpine and Tiger more or less visually and partially also technically are the same and were also sold in Europe as a V8 Alpine / Alpine Mk2 289 it is no problem to make a legal tag.
The conversion was indeed taken place in England. The tiger has all original and official US + UK papers, thus was only a technical acceptance necessary. BUT again - the conversion must not be concealed in a sale!


Thomas
 
Sir

I was looking for a 289 5 bolt for sometime . It was made more difficult by a couple of guys who said I got a guy in Germany who buys them from me all the time . Do your friendly or not so friendly technicians , look at engine blocks and see if it's real and date coded to the car, or was those sellers blowing smoke up my posterior .

By the way if you know anybody who could use a nice to 289 5 bolt I have one for sale and would gladly sell it and strap it to a pallet and send it to you . I sold the car it was going to go in and the buyer was not interested in it .
 
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