Starter and Mini-starter

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All,

I have my starter out and am investigating replacement options. I understand Summit and others have mini-starters that may be advantageous with headers. I would appreciate any part numbers (I never trust the catalogs) and experiences (wiring, etc.)

Thanks,
Brian
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All you need here -

http://www.sunbeamalpine.org/forum/showthread.php?t=15945

I purchased a Hi Torque starter for my 347. IMI #1106
http://www.hitorque.com
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One additional wire needs to be run to the 12V ignition. It is clockable and I have it tucked up close the oil pan with plenty of room between it and the CAT Club headers. There is a nice weight reduction from the OEM lump too.
 
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Brian, I've just finished my project, with the exception of a few odds and ends. I can tell you the summit starter that I put on my car is very nice and cranks that baby like crazy. I did make an error in the wiring missed the little hot lead jumper so I had to pull the starter after all was installed in the car, 10 minutes in and out, piece of cake.
It perhaps is not the smallest or lightest of this genre of starters but I like it, the part number on my receipt is SUM-820055 $149.95. Good luck, Don
 
Brian

After some problems with the original starter last summer I replaced my starter with high torque Ford PMGR starter (Napa Part # 4N9240...$144). It is the same starter as for the early 90s Mustang 302. In addition to being more efficient it is smaller thereby allowing for some room between the exhaust header and the starter, which I was lead to believe would help keep down the heat.

Other than some adjustments to the wiring to accomodate the solenoid built
right onto the starter, it was a perfect fit. I will send you a wiring diagram via email (too large to attach to this post) which I obtained from Tom Parker who originally recommended this starter to me. I am not sure if Tom is a forum member.

Regardless of the starter you choose you just need to make sure it is compatible with the number of teeth on your flywheel. The flywheel in my 260has 157 teeth.

Hope this helps.

Jim
 
the_tool_man said:
Duke, are you sure on that part number? The website lists IMI 107 as the correct one for a manual-trans car. I don't even see an 1106. 106 is for auto trans. Maybe they discontinued it? Just checking.

Regards,
John.
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Numbers may have changed over the years, I would give them a call. Flywheel teeth number may make a difference too.
 
the_tool_man said:
Duke, are you sure on that part number? The website lists IMI 107 as the correct one for a manual-trans car. I don't even see an 1106. 106 is for auto trans. Maybe they discontinued it? Just checking.

Regards,
John.
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Tigers use the 'auto' starter... not the manual one...! :eek:

Why? Because they use the smaller flywheel ( either 157/160 tooth ) which is the same size/offset as the 'auto' trans flex plate. The 'manual' starter is for the larger 164 tooth flywheel.
I have a good tech article on it in my 'albums' if you are logged into this site...
http://catmbr.org/VB_forum/album.php?albumid=23

My stock starter cranks my 400 hp engine over just fine and clears the CAT headers too! 6" off the ground is not that bad a place to have a couple extra pounds...

..."If it ain't broke..." :rolleyes:

P.S. the correct HiTorque # IS 106 ... http://www.hitorque.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=IMI-106
 
I have 2 mini starters from Summit and both work great with plenty of clearance. Like Duke said, you need to run one extra wire to make it work.
 
Starter

I used an MSD5090 starter, works great except it makes your Tiger sound like a Chrysler with the gear reduction... Wha-ha-ha-ha-VrOOOM! I have the new club SS headers, and I don't see how a stock starter would fit, and even if it does, putting it in must be a real PITA juggling act with the header and starter, and then with your third hand.... I have to agree with 66TigerMKIa on one point, I had a stock starter in my original Tiger, with a 398 hp 289 with 12.5 to 1 compression, and it started it just fine. The only reason I went with the MSD starter, besides getting googly eyed ordering every new gadget I saw for the Tiger whether I needed it or not, is that it's obviously much easier to install with the headers.
Bob K.
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I tried the MSD mini-high torque starter and found it just barely able to fit with the club headers. If I remember correctly it is only clockable in 4 positions which makes getting it into the proper position much harder.

I decided to go with the Summit starter which is clockable to 18 positions. It slid in with plenty of room to spare.
Easy install - Remove the locking stud, put the starter in place, turn the housing to exactly where you want it, mark it with felt pen, pull the starter down, put the locking pin in, attach the starter cable and bolt in place. 15 min max.

Order it for Auto or Manual depending if you have 157 or 164 tooth flywheel. Easy to tell if you have the starter out. If the flywheel teeth are close to the Bell housing backing plate you have a 164 tooth flywheel and need a "manual" starter. if the flywheel teeth are set in away from the backing plate you have a 157 tooth flywheel and need the "auto" starter.


John
 
Thanks for all the info, guys.

I'm putting club headers on my car, so I need all the room I can get.

Thanks for the link, 66TigerMK1A. That cleared things up nicely. I measured the nose housing length on my stock starter, at 2-3/8 inches, which corresponds to the flywheels I have (157 & 160). FWIW, Summit doesn't distinguish between manual and auto versions. They go by starter nose housing length, which is definitive:

2-3/8": SUM-820055
2": SUM-820056

Regards,
John.
 
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